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BrownCoat_Tabz
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: Plot Bunnies... |
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I was thinking about something to talk about.. and then I had a great idea... how about coming up with some "plot bunnies" for writers who want to write a Firefly fanfic, but can't come up with a good idea....
An example would be...
Kaylee watches River for Simon (post BigDamnMovie) and she gets lost....
(I'm not good at these.. just FYI)..
Spark ideas in writers. Have fun!
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gobluegirl
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Neat idea. I like it. Alas, I'm not very good at plot bunnies, one of the main reasons that my personal writing output is so pitifully small. However, I'll do my best to start this thread off right.
* A person with a potential job hires Serenity for a test run. The guy hires two crews to increase competition. First one to the cargo gets his business.
* Wash meets Zoe's dad for the first time.
* On a trip to Jayne's home planet, one of Jayne's brothers falls for River.
* A story where we learn more about Blue Sun, or Reavers...
* Simon and Kaylee are getting marred! But Mal accidentally left the ring at the last job.
OK guys, you can certainly come up with something better than those, right?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I love the one about Simon and Kaylee getting married and Mal leaving the ring.... that could be hilarious.
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Companion Kate
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There's really only one story that I'm desperately longing to see. Set after the movie, Simon and River visit their parents.
I want to see a resolution to the conflict between Simon and Gabriel which occured in Safe. I want to see Simon say "Told you so", and Gabriel say "You were right son, I'm proud of you", and all that, and all of them hug River.
You see, one possible interpretation of the Operative's words (that the Tams were no longer a threat) is that they're no longer wanted. That's not the only possible interpretation, of course, but one would certainly be entitled to choose that interpretation in fanfic.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Companion Kate wrote: |
I want to see a resolution to the conflict between Simon and Gabriel which occured in Safe. I want to see Simon say "Told you so", and Gabriel say "You were right son, I'm proud of you", and all that, and all of them hug River.
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Um, that's certainly not what I would have happen. 
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Okay, here goes
Kaylee gets a kitten and Jayne has alergies
A cat-n-mouse situtation between Serenity and a Reaver vessel either on a canyon covered moon or a astrofield/dust cloude
Mal is getting hammered with some-guy he meets in a bar, the guy 'while in the I love you man stage of inebreation' gives mal a treasure map (this is seen by two others in the bar).
One set after Serenity: Another preacher turns up to retrieve Books few possessions.
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BrownCoat_Tabz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: |
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OHhh I like the ideas going here... I might have to get to some writing myself...
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I was reading a book called More What if? a sequel to What If, they are both collections of essays on counterfactual history. They ask questions like what would happen if Britain had won the war of American Independence or the South had Won the Civil War Etc. There was one in particular I was reading about, what was to me an unknown piece of Civil War Era History. The question the author asks is what would have happened if the NorthWest Conspiracy had suceeded? Appanrently during the Civil War there was a movement within the states that had until recently been called the Northwest Territories to suceed from the Union. This would have turned the Civil War into a two front conflict. For whatever reason in factual history nothing ever came of it. Someone could right a fic set during the Unification War about a conspiracy to get a planet or group of planets to form a third group i.e. non Independent/Alliance and get involved in the conflict, which would ultimately fail. It could be blue Sun making their bid for power (Do a Blue Sun Run planet(s)) or one of the ethnic groups we never see in the Verse Indian or Japanese maybe. Anyway I've never written fanfic and just don't have the time to develop this further but if someone else want to run with it please do!
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| Companion Kate wrote: | There's really only one story that I'm desperately longing to see. Set after the movie, Simon and River visit their parents.
I want to see a resolution to the conflict between Simon and Gabriel which occured in Safe. I want to see Simon say "Told you so", and Gabriel say "You were right son, I'm proud of you", and all that, and all of them hug River.
You see, one possible interpretation of the Operative's words (that the Tams were no longer a threat) is that they're no longer wanted. That's not the only possible interpretation, of course, but one would certainly be entitled to choose that interpretation in fanfic. |
I guess fanfic can be about some harmless wish fulfilment but I just think that scenario is too easy. This is a Joss Whedon show. Gabrield and Regan should still be in denial about both Miranda and what was done to River and may be unaware of any connection between River and the Miranda footage. It's not excatly in the crew's interest to (forgive the pun) broadcast their involvement with it, it would only make the Alliance come after them again.
Personally I would love to see Mal's dad show up. We can surmise from the Series that Mal's father wasn't around for a lot of his childhood. You could take either the deadbeat dad route, with daddy abandoning little Mal, or give him some heroic I've got to disappear to safeguard my wife and son motivation.
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Or how about Mal finding his father in an drifting ship that became stranded due to bad servicing and neglegence, then you could have mal going after the dodgy budget startship runner.
laoshi - if you like what if stuff then try to see CSA (Confederated States of America) it's what the US would belike today if theSouth had won the American Civil War. My favourite bit is the slaves being sold on the shopping channel.
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The crew runs into Mal's brother... and they're really excited but Mal orders him off the ship....
The crew's job includes smuggling out a prize pair of beagles to some country fair off world.
A Firefly/Toy Story cross over.. wait. I've already written that.
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Are we allowed Alternate Universe fiction here? How about re-writing War Stories -- but Zoe and Mal win the argument with Wash at the beginning of the episode, so Wash stays home and Zoe goes along with Mal and is captured by Niska. Now, Wash, Kaylee, Inara (and to an extent Simon and River) would want to go rescue Mal and Zoe, but lack the military know-how to organise a raid; Jayne has the know-how but lacks the motivation. That means ..... would Book organize and lead the rescue mission?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| timberwolf0122 wrote: |
laoshi - if you like what if stuff then try to see CSA (Confederated States of America) it's what the US would belike today if theSouth had won the American Civil War. My favourite bit is the slaves being sold on the shopping channel. |
I saw a few reviews for that when it came out I like the bit your talking about but the whole thing just isn't my cuppa.
If we're doing rewrites and I'm pretty sure someone somewhere has done this already. The Reaver Harpoon in the BDM hits a few feet to the left and Zoe dies instead of Wash. How would the movie end? Would Mal be able to defeat the operative? Zoe does mean more to him than Wash. Would the rest of the crew be able to survive long enough for Mal to defeat the operative without their warrior women or would Wash rise to the occassion like he did in War stories with his whole he's not going to get days vibe?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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If we're going to explore alternative histories...
What if the Indendents won?
"May have been the winning side... Oh wait - it was!" - Alternative Mal
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I really enjoy some of the AU fiction out there.. I just read a really cool one about "what if Zoe had died during the BDM instead of Wash".
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Companion Kate wrote: | There's really only one story that I'm desperately longing to see. Set after the movie, Simon and River visit their parents.
I want to see a resolution to the conflict between Simon and Gabriel which occured in Safe. I want to see Simon say "Told you so", and Gabriel say "You were right son, I'm proud of you", and all that, and all of them hug River.
You see, one possible interpretation of the Operative's words (that the Tams were no longer a threat) is that they're no longer wanted. That's not the only possible interpretation, of course, but one would certainly be entitled to choose that interpretation in fanfic. |
Then the Operative followed that up with 'They might listen'.
I don't think Simon and River will be let off the most wanted list that easy:) |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| timberwolf0122 wrote: | Okay, here goes
Kaylee gets a kitten and Jayne has alergies
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I've done something similar. But its puppy cargo and Jayne is allergic. But its just a little side storyline in the middle of a much bigger one. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'd love to read your fanfic Tammy! Where can I find it?
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| BrownCoat_Tabz wrote: | | I'd love to read your fanfic Tammy! Where can I find it? |
On fireflyfans.net under the user name 'leiasky'. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Companion Kate wrote: | If we're going to explore alternative histories...
What if the Indendents won?
"May have been the winning side... Oh wait - it was!" - Alternative Mal |
I love the way your mind works Kate. i think there's a lot of milage ina Browncoat victory sotry arc. Although when I first thought about it I was worried cause if you take away the loss then you're taking away an awful lot of what makes Mal interesting. But then I think about that overly quoted line from Beyond Good and Evil "Be careful when you fight monsters least you become one. And when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes long into you." An eventual Browncoat victory would mean a longer war, they could go from just being happy with their own independence to wanting revenge against the Alliance. The Independents become just as evil as the Alliance. I can see a disillussioned Mal leaving the Browncoats and taking Zoe with him after the war is over. Maybe Simon could rrscue River from a Browncoat run project Oracle. Or Book could be a fugitive from the Browncoats. What would happen to Inara and Companions in general if they had supported the Alliance? What would the Browncoats do to them?
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| BrownCoat_Tabz wrote: | | I really enjoy some of the AU fiction out there.. I just read a really cool one about "what if Zoe had died during the BDM instead of Wash". |
I Knew someone somewhere had done that story could you post a link to it please Tabz?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: Ex-fugitive Tams |
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| Tammy wrote: | | I don't think Simon and River will be let off the most wanted list that easy:) |
Definitely not. I think that if the Alliance were to come across them; they'd take them in so they could get River back because not many people know about the human weapon thing and also they could be in for revenge. On the other hand, I don't think that the Alliance is going to be wasting more resources going after them anymore. Kind of like an undocumented worker getting a traffic violation. No one is going to do anything to seek said person out; if he or she finds him/herself in the hands of the authorities that's something else entirely. So I think that Simon and River are probably safe as long as they don't do anything to get themselves into trouble (like dealing in blackmarket beagles). |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Tabz, Slash isn't my thing but i did think the piece was well writen. If I was going to do a Zoe dies instead of Wash I would probably go ahead and kill everyone. Although Mal cares about Wash Zoe's death would hurt him on a much deeper level, which would distract him so much the Operative would win the fight. With no Zoe to help hold off the Reavers until River can go all Bufy on them everyone dies.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: |
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I don't think so, even though Zoe's death would affect Mal, he would probably do the job... and I think River would have stepped up earlier...
I do see Mal ripping apart some aspect of the ship afterwards though.
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i think River needed some time to deal with the emotional impact of all that rage and hatred from the Reavers. Although Zoe has her moment of selfish vengeance for Wash that endangers the entire crew she buys River the time she needs to deal eith that rage and realise she's the one who has to save the crew. I just don't think Wash could put his feelings for Zoe aside for even those few minutes, he's not a soldier like her he hasn't had to see friends and loved ones die in battle and have to push your feelings aside just to survive. What changes would Mal make to the ship if they did manage to survive?
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I think more people would have died if it would have been Wash, but remember he's got quite a bit of fighter in him.. he stormed Nyska's place with Zoe. If Mal slammed him against a wall again - I think he would have stepped up and did the job... though he'd be more (human) about it... But not having Jayne AND Zoe would have been death.
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| Tammy wrote: | | BrownCoat_Tabz wrote: | | I'd love to read your fanfic Tammy! Where can I find it? |
On fireflyfans.net under the user name 'leiasky'. |
I have to say that leiasky's fan fic is absolutely fabulous. It's generally a touch, er, graphic for Tales From The 'Verse, but she's a great writer.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| gobluegirl wrote: | | Tammy wrote: | | BrownCoat_Tabz wrote: | | I'd love to read your fanfic Tammy! Where can I find it? |
On fireflyfans.net under the user name 'leiasky'. |
I have to say that leiasky's fan fic is absolutely fabulous. It's generally a touch, er, graphic for Tales From The 'Verse, but she's a great writer.
gbg |
Heh, the recent stuff isn't at all. There are ratings on everything, as well as warning for those more squemish among us. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Ex-fugitive Tams |
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| iltflinthill wrote: | | Tammy wrote: | | I don't think Simon and River will be let off the most wanted list that easy:) |
Definitely not. I think that if the Alliance were to come across them; they'd take them in so they could get River back because not many people know about the human weapon thing and also they could be in for revenge. On the other hand, I don't think that the Alliance is going to be wasting more resources going after them anymore. Kind of like an undocumented worker getting a traffic violation. No one is going to do anything to seek said person out; if he or she finds him/herself in the hands of the authorities that's something else entirely. So I think that Simon and River are probably safe as long as they don't do anything to get themselves into trouble (like dealing in blackmarket beagles). |
I don't think Miranda was the only secret River inadvertently gleened from Alliance brass. So, I think the Alliance would want her back. Why listen to an Operative who is clearly 'not their man' any longer?
Ugh. I wish we could have seen what happens to the crew post Miranda! Maybe if the new comic series is successful, we'll get to see those stories. . . |
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