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WHEDONesque'd.
ETA: As maintainer of session416.com, more than anything else I want to know what order they've put them in on this set. So far I'm not having any luck convincing UHE to send me one, heh.
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thanks bix. I think I have a Whedonesque account but I can't remember my login credentials and they're "not accepting new patients" at this time. 
Session 416 sadly does not have its own sub-menu. You just click "Session 416" from disc 2's feature list and they play as one chapter on the disc. Here's the order:
Second Excerpt
Session 1
Session 22
Session 165
First Excerpt
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theonetruebix
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| CTbrowncoat wrote: | Here's the order:
Second Excerpt
Session 1
Session 22
Session 165
First Excerpt |
Finally, official confirmation that they were meant to be viewed in release (and structually proper) order. Heh.
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| CTbrowncoat wrote: | | bix - I must confess... while I've seen the session 416 clips and I love them, what was the controversey? Were the first and last clips reversed in some other venue/presentation? They definitely work better this way! |
A lot of people insisted that they were to be seen in chronological order, and in fact a number of the later YouTube versions of the clips put them in that order. Just the other day I saw someone say that it had never occurred to them to watch them in anything but chronological order. I had always insisted that they were intended to be viewed in release order.
I just remember having several arguments with people two years ago about their proper viewing order, because I had them in release order on session416.com and other people had them in chronological order, and I had a hard time explaining structure to them, heh.
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It's a personal choice. I like watching things in chronological order.
I never joined in any controversy or started arguing about it or anything though - like I said, it's just a personal choice. I'm one of those mad people who prefers the Narnia books in chronological order - and if someone were to cut Kill Bill up and stitch all the bits back in chronological order, I'd probably prefer that too. (Ooh - sacrilege!) Of course, I don't have to make any such choice about Star Wars because there are only three movies that count 
I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to argue about it though. We can all watch or read things in whatever order we want. It doesn't seem a big deal to me.
Chronological order would be:
Session 1
Session 22
Session 165
Session 416, first Excerpt
Session 416, second Excerpt
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| Companion Kate wrote: | | I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to argue about it though. We can all watch or read things in whatever order we want. It doesn't seem a big deal to me. |
I guess it just boggles me that some would prefer watching it in a way that discards the very specific structure Joss wrote into them. "I'll have to write it down" is (for lack of a better term) the punchline of the piece.
You're quite right that people can watch them in whatever order they prefer. But, for example, would you re-edit Out of Gas into chronological order? It does a similar (although obviously not exactly the same) thing, by starting with an "ack, WTF?" moment and then slowly taking you around through the past to show what led up to it.
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| theonetruebix wrote: | | But, for example, would you re-edit Out of Gas into chronological order? |
On first viewing, I'd want to see it in the order that it was intended by its creator to be shown. But I'm way past first viewing now.
I don't have the video editing skills to create the kind of work that you suggest, but if someone who did were to extract not only the OoG flashbacks, but also the Safe flashbacks, the Serenity (pilot) flashback, the Message flashback, all the Tam session bits, and the movie flashbacks, and put them all in chronological order (including moving naked Mal from the start of Trash to just before the end), then damn straight I'd watch it. I would love to be able to see everything in the order in which the Big Damn Heroes would have experienced it.
I guess I would say that, I view the 'verse, not as a piece of art, but as history. There is a continuity in which things happened, in a certain order, to our characters. In order properly to understand their character development, and how things intersect and fit together properly, yes, I absolutely would love like to see the proper flow of time through 'verse history.
Maybe that's why I wrote the timeline!
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by the way bix - I made a point of mentioning that they're in the proper sequence in my review. thanks for the heads up. after watching them that way, I can't imagine watching them the other way. the joke - or punchline, as you said - is completely lost...
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| Companion Kate wrote: | | theonetruebix wrote: | | But, for example, would you re-edit Out of Gas into chronological order? |
On first viewing, I'd want to see it in the order that it was intended by its creator to be shown. But I'm way past first viewing now.
I don't have the video editing skills to create the kind of work that you suggest, but if someone who did were to extract not only the OoG flashbacks, but also the Safe flashbacks, the Serenity (pilot) flashback, the Message flashback, all the Tam session bits, and the movie flashbacks, and put them all in chronological order (including moving naked Mal from the start of Trash to just before the end), then damn straight I'd watch it. I would love to be able to see everything in the order in which the Big Damn Heroes would have experienced it.
I guess I would say that, I view the 'verse, not as a piece of art, but as history. There is a continuity in which things happened, in a certain order, to our characters. In order properly to understand their character development, and how things intersect and fit together properly, yes, I absolutely would love like to see the proper flow of time through 'verse history.
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Quite a few months back, a friend of mine over on serenitymovie.org took an enormous amount of time and patience, and transcribed the entire OoG in Chronological Order.
It was awful. It actually made LESS sense in chronological order, and was, simply put, really boring. My point? Well.... "It's not what you say, it's how you say it".
I think the timeline is great, I love it. I also love a well told Story. They're not mutually exclusive; They compliment each other very well.
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