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| I am very, very excited... It's so good to hear you guys again. You've made the day so much brighter. |
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I love the new opening.
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kurya
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Hey.
I am so glad the Signal is back. I am listening to it now, nice usage of sounds from the movie. I am only 9 minutes into the show, and the small intro to give people who stumbled onto this podcast an explaination what serenity & firefly is, is quite nice, but there are two things that concern me a bit. They are small, but I feel I can post these thoughts here on this forum without you guys & gals getting offended. And you are doing a great job.
1) That report is highly passionate, but I dunno if Im interpreting the words right or wrong, but it seems to slight Star Trek and Babylon 5. I know its an editorial piece and its highlighting how much fans love the show, but saying"this is what Star Trek should have been, and what Babylon 5 strived to achieve this was quite literally the best Science Fiction sseries ever made", in my mind is kind of putting down both Star Trek & Babylon 5. Maybe its just me, I want to know how other people feel about this. I am a fans of both Star trek and B5, and I love Firefly, however it seems to be hyping too much Firefly, at the expense of those two other shows.
And I can imagine if someone is a fan of either of those two shows, and hasn't heard of Firefly, might feel insulted by that statement. Im sure everyone is well aware of how fans are passionate about their favourite shows. I mean its all subjective, but I do not know if that statement belonged in that small intro... Again, maybe its just my interpretation of that sentence.
2) This is a factual thing, I am not sure...so someone can verify this ... but how the fandom, bought the boxst Firefly DVD's, and then Universal almost immediately picked it up and turned into a motion picture.... I believe the movie was already green lighted... its just that the DVD sales surprised Universal, and confirmed whether there was an interest in the story or not. Joss said this in interviews, and I believe its in the timeline?
Anyway, I hope you aren't offended by these criticisms, I just thought I would post it.. feel free to disregard. I really appreciate your work. And look forward to listening to the rest of this podcast, and future podcasts.
Prakash
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: Welcome Back! |
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It's good to hear you again!
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theonetruebix
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kurya wrote: | | 2) This is a factual thing, I am not sure...so someone can verify this ... but how the fandom, bought the boxst Firefly DVD's, and then Universal almost immediately picked it up and turned into a motion picture.... I believe the movie was already green lighted... its just that the DVD sales surprised Universal, and confirmed whether there was an interest in the story or not. Joss said this in interviews, and I believe its in the timeline? |
That is my understanding also, FWIW.
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Companion Kate
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kurya wrote: | | but saying"this is what Star Trek should have been, and what Babylon 5 strived to achieve this was quite literally the best Science Fiction sseries ever made", in my mind is kind of putting down both Star Trek & Babylon 5. Maybe its just me, I want to know how other people feel about this. I am a fans of both Star trek and B5, and I love Firefly, however it seems to be hyping too much Firefly, at the expense of those two other shows. |
I guess I'd better respond to this since it was I who wrote the article. So let me clarify for the record that I am a fan of Star Trek, and of Babylon 5. I think that Star Trek is great (at least, TOS, TNG and DS9 are great). I think that B5 is even better. And I think that Firefly is better still. My intention was that that's how it should read, that folk should think "Hmm... I like Star Trek, so maybe I'll like this even more?". We never put other shows down on the Signal - it's kind of a rule. But in this case, I do actually love those shows, so any perceived put-down is a misunderstanding. Or more precisely, sloppy writing. Thanks for pointing that out.
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| kurya wrote: | | but saying"this is what Star Trek should have been, and what Babylon 5 strived to achieve this was quite literally the best Science Fiction sseries ever made", in my mind is kind of putting down both Star Trek & Babylon 5 |
It's true, though (in my opinion, but I'm hardly exceptional), so the fans of Star Trek or B5 would have a problem with facts, not with the Signal.
Let me put that straight: both Star Trek and B5 were the best scifi series ever made when they started. That's why there are still ardent Star Trek fans, and I was a big fan of B5 myself, and tried not to miss any episode of the first season. Yes, it did strive for "best ever", indeed!
But I found Star Trek a bit naive from the first episodes I saw occasionally (and never was eager to watch more of it, unlike my daughter), and I was sorry to watch how quickly B5 run out of good ideas, and continued on mediocre ones.
So the claim still stands: "Firefly" is the best, now, and the others are no real competition at the moment. Beware: this may change in the future, it's very hard to stay "best ever"! |
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kurya
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Hi companion kate
I know you guys & gals work really hard, and are quite considerate...so I didnt think it was your intention to do it, and not sloppy writing either, and I kinda do understand what you were trying to say, that Firefly is in the tradition of best sci fi, I was just wondering if non-fans who stumble on the signal, may take that comment in the wrong way and see it as a slight.
The thing is obviosuly anyone who posts here would think Firefly is one of the best, and some people may think its better than Star Trek & B5, but potential newbies, might not see it that way.
For me, I like to say, I like these shows differently.... to put it in a more politically coreect fashion...., although i hated enterprise and not much of a fan of voyager, I loved the original, tng and ds9, and b5 i loved the space opera aspect of it... I mean I grew up on Star trek, and nothing will change that, B5, I just loved. But I love Firefly, but in a different way.
Anyway I didnt want to stir the pot, I thought I woul just raise a potential problem. I hope you weren't offended by my criticism.
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We're not offended at all. We appreciate all constructive criticism. If all we get is "I love the podcast" we wouldn't know where we need to focus our energies to make it better. Similarly, nonconstructive criticisms "you suck & your podcast sucks" are useless.
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Companion Kate
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| kurya wrote: | | I was just wondering if non-fans who stumble on the signal, may take that comment in the wrong way and see it as a slight. |
Your point is well taken. We're putting together a special episode for complete Firefly newbies. The orignal plan was to include the "Beginners' Guide to Serenity" feature in that special show. Seems to me we could do ourselves a big favor by changing one sentence before doing so. Thanks for the advice.
Whether or not we want to edit the existing show on the feed now is another matter. If we change even a single byte, all podcatchers subscribed to the show would redownload it. That's not the end of the world, but it might annoy some folk. On the other hand, it would mean that future subscribers would get the fixed version.
So I think that for now, we'll just make the change within the newbie special, but leave episode one as it is ... unless general opinion suggests otherwise. (Do tell).
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Hmmm that seems like a good idea, one episode for just beginngers...(kind of like the 1st episode of the signal in season 1).... and in terms of re-editioing..I doubt its such a big deal, so probably not necessary to re-edit.
And one more thing, I think in the show notes. the link to the links section has a 404 error....so I am guessing its not linked to thr right link page. I hope I made sense 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| kurya wrote: | | And one more thing, I think in the show notes. the link to the links section has a 404 error |
Fixed! Thanks 
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I would argue against editing the existing show, but I have a pretty virgorous bias against the notion of making changes, once something is published, that can't be easily tracked as having been made. In html, one can always just use a strikethrough, but there's not really an audio equivalent.
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Companion Kate
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| theonetruebix wrote: | | I have a pretty virgorous bias against the notion of making changes, once something is published, that can't be easily tracked as having been made. |
It's rare - and certainly we've never done it, but sometimes you have to. For example, in a recent "Geek Fu Action Grip" episode, Mur accidently left the private phone number of an indivual on her podcast. She'd intended to edit it out, but missed one instance. For reasons of privacy, she made a post-publication edit, and in this case, I think it was the right thing to do.
But I doubt we would want to do that for a lesser reason.
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| lhoward wrote: | | We're not offended at all. We appreciate all constructive criticism. If all we get is "I love the podcast" we wouldn't know where we need to focus our energies to make it better. Similarly, nonconstructive criticisms "you suck & your podcast sucks" are useless. |
Well, I have a few comments, but they're mostly "this is my taste" kind of things, so I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel differently.
o) I liked that you incorporated the film music into the 'cast. However, I do miss the old opening segment; I really liked it.
o) I didn't really enjoy the RPG segment (although I'm reasonably sure plenty of other people did).
o) I'm glad you're doing the "techno nerd" Q/A segment; I'm really looking forward to that.
o) I hope that, moving forward, you continue to do the fake "News from the Cortex" and Blue Sun commercials; they really added to the 'cast for me.
That said, I'm glad you're back on the air. Or online. Or however you describe podcasts. |
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Listened to the episode. Great job as usual.
I have to bring up a point of caution though from the segment where you tell people to arrange all the copies of Serenity at the local video rental/purchase shop so they are facing outward.
Yes, this gets Serenity more exposure. And yes, people are more likely to rent/buy a video with the cover facing them so they can see it. Same principle applies in bookstores.
The drawback comes from dealing with corporate mentality. Movie companies and book publishers pay for 'shelf space' in a store when they are pushing the latest big new release or bestselling novel (at least here in the States.) The stores get directives of how many copies of what title they need to display in certain areas of the store. The stores often have guidelines on how titles are to be arranged on the shelves in the regular areas of the store too.
If you rearrange some of the titles so that your favorite is faced out, and especially if it effects the items that are being heavily promoted, the employees are going to have to switch it all back again anyway. This creates more work for them and resentment toward whatever unknown patron rearranged the shelf. If it happens enough times, the offending titles are likely to be pulled from the shelf out of spite. When you are working for minimum wage, and having to deal with the public at large, and someone is making more work for you to do, it is not high incentive to be helpful or accomodating.
Just something to keep in mind.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Companion Kate wrote: | For example, in a recent "Geek Fu Action Grip" episode, Mur accidently left the private phone number of an indivual on her podcast. She'd intended to edit it out, but missed one instance. For reasons of privacy, she made a post-publication edit, and in this case, I think it was the right thing to do.
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Another example that comes to mind is to add a spoiler warning to the begining of the episode when someone shouts out, WASH DIES! |
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Regarding the instruction to re-arrange the DVDs on the store shelf...
I was listening to a writing podcast recently and one of the topics was turning books outward on the shelf. In short, he said it was one of the worst things you could do. Not only do stores hate the practice, but it's a good way to get your product removed entirely. |
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Companion Kate
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Maybe it's different in different countries. I don't think anyone would even notice here (in England). It happens all the time by accident when people pick something up, look at it, and put it back. Moreover, most stores are only likely to have three or four copies anyway, so it really wouldn't make much difference to the display anyway.
But the warnings are heeded. Use caution if doing this, and if the store already has dozens and dozens of copies then leave well alone.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: Serenity/Firefly RPG |
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I like the addition of the RPG segment. I hope we'll get more in depth with that as the season progresses. See, my mind is a little bit like a lump of clay--it can be semi-easily shaped and molded, so if I listen to enough bits of advice on running a Serenity RPG, I might actually do it eventually.
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One person in favour for the RPG and one against. I'm against as well. I wonder if it would be possible to do that separately? Yes, I am guessing that by going to a bi-weekly format you are all trying to get some life of your own back but for those of us who will never do an RPG, that is a big bit of useless content we have to fast forward by. And for those with ipods, they can't fast forward, I understand.
I appreciate the new Monty Python song but it isn't quite as catchy as "I love Chinese", so that while I do like the fact that you are trying to cater to your audience who loved the Chinese song, I'm not sure this one is needed.
The rest of the show was excellent and I am very glad you are back. |
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I think i may have started something,... dunno if this is typical for your podcast episode threads lol... sorry.
Anyways.. in terms of RPG...actually I liked monty pythons sailing of the accounting seas(Ilove monty python), and the rpg, well I prefer the RPG to the chinese.. but as usual its a matter of preference.(I Dont mind one way or the other) Continue the adverts for blue sun and fake news, it is a hoot...
and in terms of dvds..
well what I do, is that I just move one dvd... I guess, discretion is needed, but people move dvds around all the time, so if you just move one or two(not the whole display), to a more prominent place, especially if the colour contrast makes it more noticable(I put the dvd in front of wedding crashers so the colour contrast is quite big), people may take notice. I dont think the staff(I wouldnt know I havent worked in a store) will feel quite pissed off because they have to re-arrange 1 or 2 dvds of a movie, since all over the store, people re-arrange the stuff. Anyway thats my view, I dunno if any store clerks can weigh in one this.
And I hate adding to the othe requests.. but I missed that ending of the signal, where you have tha big sing along at the end. When it comes to the end of the podcast, I always lookforward to that big singalong... it really makes my day. No biggie, but if you can bring that back, I would love it!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: OT -- iPod ops |
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| Lioness wrote: | | And for those with ipods, they can't fast forward, I understand. |
You can definitely fast forward (and rewind) on an iPod. When an mp3 is playing, you push and release the little button in the center. Then, for a few seconds, the progress bar will change. While it's changed like that, the click wheel will scroll the current position in the mp3 playback instead of controlling the volume.
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| kurya wrote: | and in terms of dvds..
well what I do, is that I just move one dvd... I guess, discretion is needed, but people move dvds around all the time, so if you just move one or two(not the whole display), to a more prominent place, especially if the colour contrast makes it more noticable(I put the dvd in front of wedding crashers so the colour contrast is quite big), people may take notice. I dont think the staff(I wouldnt know I havent worked in a store) will feel quite pissed off because they have to re-arrange 1 or 2 dvds of a movie, since all over the store, people re-arrange the stuff. Anyway thats my view, I dunno if any store clerks can weigh in one this. |
Having worked in the retail industry far longer than I wanted, yes, the store clerks will consider you to be a pain in the ass for moving single copies around to other parts of the store than just facing them all out in the section they belong in.
Case in point - a customer comes in to ask for title 'X'. Usually the clerk will check the computer for inventory. If there is only one copy (or even two or three) listed then they will go to check the shelves.
'Gee, it should be in the sci fi section' (walk through a 30,000 square foot store to get to the sci fi section, check the shelves, find that the title that is supposed to be there isn't.)
At that point you have to tell the customer you don't have the copy of the title they came in for. You can order another one if they want. Sometimes if they really want it, the customer will order one. More than likely, they will leave and go to another store and you've lost a sale. Then you find the DVD you were looking for in front of The Wedding Crashers later and have to return it to the section of the store where it belongs.
You ARE NOT helping matters by moving merchandise around the store.
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| Lioness wrote: | | I'm against as well. I wonder if it would be possible to do that separately? |
We're not Fox  I don't think we're likely to cancel anything mid-season, nor to move it to outside the show. From the feedback we got in season one, every segment was liked by some, disliked by others. Some segments were even loved by some and hated by others. There's no way we can please everyone. If something's really not popular then we'll bring it to a close, but we won't do so suddenly or unexpectedly or when we're halfway through something.
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| YourLeader wrote: | Listened to the episode. Great job as usual.
I have to bring up a point of caution though from the segment where you tell people to arrange all the copies of Serenity at the local video rental/purchase shop so they are facing outward.
The drawback...
This creates more work for them and resentment toward whatever unknown patron rearranged the shelf. ...and someone is making more work for you to do, it is not high incentive to be helpful or accomodating.
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I'd think someone would have to take inventory and decide which copies got moved....find the offensive titles that got in the way of the titles that were supposed to have primo shelf space. I'm not so sure about the "more work" bit. Work as opposed to what? Goof off time? I do agree that companies jostle for the best position for their titles, but at the end of the day 30 copies are sold, and it is 5 more serenity and 5 less of mr brand new release, the store makes the same amount of money. I'll take your word that a store will pull offending copies entirely though. I have no knowledge of this occuring but that doesn't mean it doesn't. I also wouldn't advocate taking the remaining 30 video copies and spreading them out over 30 slots. however, in a blockbuster where all surrounding movies are all rented, I wouldn't feel bad in the least spreading Serenity out into those empty slots to make it more visible. |
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Oh, one other note:
As a big proponent (or a guy with a loud virtual mouth, or the most persistent proponent, or the biggest jerk on this topic, or whatever), of The Signal having a regular "Into to the 'verse" segment in another thread, I wanted to comment on Jill's "Beginners' Guide to Serenity" (which I quite enjoyed, by the way; nice job, Jill).
What I was thinking would be good for The Signal to have, or at least have available for newbies (as one of The Signal's goals is to create new Browncoats) is an introduction to the universe of Firefly and Serenity, rather than an introduction and appreciation of the television show and film. Something similar to what Joss did at the beginning of "Serenity" (the movie), or what "Kung Fu" did every episode ("Snatch the pebble from my hand..."). I know that Kate doesn't want to have it in every episode, but I do think a piece like that available somewhere--perhaps a separate micro-podcast? I dunno--would be really good for newbies.
Just my opinion, obviously. Just listened to Episode 1 again last night, and had that thought, is all. |
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We are working on it as you speak.
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