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Companion Kate
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 Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: Season 2, Episode 11 |
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June 21st 2005 - The Signal is launched.
June 21st 2006 - Happy birthday us
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OutlawMusicDJ
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: The SciFi review bit |
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I say keep on going with the SF review bit. I have really enjoyed it and I never found it to be spoilerish much. Especially with the Dr. Who bit. Admittedly I stay current via "alternative methods of content distribution" so I wasn't spoiled in the least. But what some folk need to realize is that even though only season one has aired here in the states.....The Signal DOES have in international audience, and many of them are Who fans in addition to being Browncoats, and as such are caught up the the Doctor Who season two episodes currently airing. Also what was played during the segment shouldn't be considered too spoilerish sine quite a bit of it was also "spoiled" already by other scifi podcasts, news outlets, and by press releases from the BBC themselves. Anyhow that's my two cents, keep up the great work.
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Companion Kate
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Another question is, if we do a review segment of show X, does it really change anything if show X happens to be currently airing in (ooh, for example) Switzerland? Should we really be expected to know that? What about countries where it hasn't aired at all?
To make a pretty good parallel, Mike and Evo tend to talk about Battlestar Galactica during their various shows with no spoiler warning at all. They may not even be aware that it has not aired in the UK, and that season 2 is not available on DVD in the UK. But should they be expected to know that? I think not. I believe that, as a listener, the responsibility is mine to hit the fast forward button when they start talking about BSG. It shouldn't be down to podcasters to know the airdates and DVD availability of every program in every country.
So the fact that Dr Who was currently airing in the US was a red herring. There's always going to be somewhere where it's either currently airing or hasn't aired at all. The more relevant question is "Was it a major plot spoiler?". If the answer to that question is yes, then we should have had a spoiler alert. But I took the view that the answer was no, and so no alert was needed. (All Brits were "spoiled" about regeneration months in advance of its being aired, because it was front page national newspaper headlines. May be a cultural thing, but over here we tend to regard regeneration as not a big deal).
I'd hate to have to put at the start of each show, words to the effect of: "In our opinion there are no major spoilers in this segment, but disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer, we are not able to guarantee that our opinion of what constitutes a spoiler will agree with yours". I hate disclaimers like that. They're so pointless - like putting "this product may contain nuts" on every single food item in existence. I think that people have to take responsibility for their own input.
But that's easy for me to say, because I wasn't the one who was upset. (In fact, I was the one who inadvertently did the upsetting). 
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Jayhawk35
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Let me just say, that I love Sci-fi review, and I'm a BIG DW fan here in the USA, and loved the segment you did. Even I discovered some things about the Doctor that I didn't know, or at least had forgotten.
I agree, there's no way to please all the people all of the time, and with shows airing all over the world, it would be impossible to not spoil a show showing somewhere.
Keep doing what you're doing with Sci-Fi review. It is a great section where I've learned a lot about other Sci-Fi shows I've never had the time to watch, or never knew much about, and now I have some of them on my list to watch in the future!
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Elf_NFB
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Don't stop the SciFi Review. A review is just that...a comprehensive (well...at least semi-comprehensive) look at an item in its totallity. How do you talk about Doctor Who and not talk about his regeneration? Would viewer have complained if a sound clip of Patrick Troughton's Doctor regenerating? Its WELL established that Eccleston only played the Doctor one season and that David Tennet took over. Everyone relax.... |
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OutlawMusicDJ
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:48 am Post subject: Firefly/Serenity and The Dawn and Drew Show |
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I was also glad to hear the Browncoat conversion story stemming from the Dawn and Drew Show. I am a regular listener of their podcast as well, and I had heard Drew mention that they checked out the series from their local library, and that they enjoyed it. Well emailed Drew, asking if they knew about the BDM, and they had not. Since the crew from my podcast likes their show, we went together and send them a copy of the series (so they would have their own to keep) as well as a copy of Serenity as well. It was the least we could do to help spread the Browncoat love, and since we had gotten so many hours of enjoyment out of their show.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Jayhawk35 wrote: | Let me just say, that I love Sci-fi review, and I'm a BIG DW fan here in the USA, and loved the segment you did. Even I discovered some things about the Doctor that I didn't know, or at least had forgotten.
I agree, there's no way to please all the people all of the time, and with shows airing all over the world, it would be impossible to not spoil a show showing somewhere.
Keep doing what you're doing with Sci-Fi review. It is a great section where I've learned a lot about other Sci-Fi shows I've never had the time to watch, or never knew much about, and now I have some of them on my list to watch in the future!
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Jayhawk35: It's the same for me pretty much too. Since you are a Who fan (and a podcast listener) If you haven't heard about it, may I recomend The Whocast. The discussions about the good Doctor are great!
We just did an ep of my 'cast based on the Doctor as well and that was fun to do. There are a few other good ones you can find in iTunes as well.
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FYI, for those listeners who might now be confused, several of the cities read in the list of charity screenings were never confirmed screenings, only pre-planning. So if you heard a city and now can't seem to find any info on it, that's why.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| theonetruebix wrote: | | FYI, for those listeners who might now be confused, several of the cities read in the list of charity screenings were never confirmed screenings, only pre-planning. So if you heard a city and now can't seem to find any info on it, that's why. |
And a few are "unofficial screenings" as well that are listed on the tshirts were not on the list. (ala Mike & Evo's at the Draco-Vista Studios in AZ and the one here at the PodCulture Studios in KY) So that's why one list might have several more than the official lise as well.
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dougom
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| Companion Kate wrote: | Another question is, if we do a review segment of show X, does it really change anything if show X happens to be currently airing in (ooh, for example) Switzerland? Should we really be expected to know that? What about countries where it hasn't aired at all?
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I'd hate to have to put at the start of each show, words to the effect of: "In our opinion there are no major spoilers in this segment, but disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer, we are not able to guarantee that our opinion of what constitutes a spoiler will agree with yours". I hate disclaimers like that. They're so pointless - like putting "this product may contain nuts" on every single food item in existence. I think that people have to take responsibility for their own input.
But that's easy for me to say, because I wasn't the one who was upset. (In fact, I was the one who inadvertently did the upsetting). |
Gee, I dunno, Jill; on another thread, didn't you make note of the fact that not everyone should assume that all listeners/readers/viewers are in the U.S. (a point I agree with, by the way)? Seems to me like there should be some kind of acknowledgement, somehow. Maybe, "The Signal only guarantees to be spoiler-free in the U.S. and U.K.," or something. Something short and simple. Just a thought. |
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Jayhawk35
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| OutlawMusicDJ wrote: | Jayhawk35: It's the same for me pretty much too. Since you are a Who fan (and a podcast listener) If you haven't heard about it, may I recomend The Whocast. The discussions about the good Doctor are great!
We just did an ep of my 'cast based on the Doctor as well and that was fun to do. There are a few other good ones you can find in iTunes as well. |
Thanks for the info. I just downloaded the Whocast, and I'll check it out. It's always good to hear new podcasts for things I'm interested in. I haven't watched all of Season 2 yet since I live in the States (although all the aired episodes are sitting on my hard drive just waiting to be screened along with all the DW Confidential shows  ) I can't wait until the R2 boxset comes out in November, and a part of me wants to wait so I can watch them all in 16x9 5.1 surround like I did last year...but I'll probably break down and watch them before I buy the boxset. 
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Thad
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| theonetruebix wrote: | | FYI, for those listeners who might now be confused, several of the cities read in the list of charity screenings were never confirmed screenings, only pre-planning. So if you heard a city and now can't seem to find any info on it, that's why. |
Rassa-frassin' where's Wellington details rassa-frassin'...
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theonetruebix
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Thad wrote: | | theonetruebix wrote: | | FYI, for those listeners who might now be confused, several of the cities read in the list of charity screenings were never confirmed screenings, only pre-planning. So if you heard a city and now can't seem to find any info on it, that's why. |
Rassa-frassin' where's Wellington details rassa-frassin'... |
It's on the list, but unless someone gives me a "More Info" link, it's difficult for me to provide any details.
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Thad
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| theonetruebix wrote: | | Thad wrote: |
Rassa-frassin' where's Wellington details rassa-frassin'... |
It's on the list, but unless someone gives me a "More Info" link, it's difficult for me to provide any details. |
Yeah, I know, it's nothing to do with you. It's just annoying, 'cos I wanna to see Serenity on the big screen again!
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Thad
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Great! Thanks!
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*peeks in to say*
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: Sci-Fi Review segment |
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Don't cut it!
Thanks for all the excellent work!
Keep flying! |
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Companion Kate
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| dougom wrote: | | Gee, I dunno, Jill; on another thread, didn't you make note of the fact that not everyone should assume that all listeners/readers/viewers are in the U.S. (a point I agree with, by the way)? Seems to me like there should be some kind of acknowledgement, somehow. Maybe, "The Signal only guarantees to be spoiler-free in the U.S. and U.K.," or something. Something short and simple. Just a thought. |
It is a non-negotiable principle of the Signal that all countries will be treated equally. Whatever rule we come up with, it must apply equally, across the board, to everyone. There will be no second class countries, period.
However, you're kind of missing the point. The point is that I didn't think it was a major spoiler, and since the rest of the crew didn't veto it, I guess they didn't either. So even if we'd adopted your suggested rule, the Dr Who feature would still have been transmitted sans spoiler warning. The question is how or whether to stop that happening again, when my/our judgement differs from that of our audience.
It obviously was (at least) a minor spoiler, but our current spoiler policy allows us to give minor spoilers without warning. So it seems to me that the most relevant questions are: (1) is our spoiler policy correct?, and (2) should we be more cautious when deciding what is or is not a major spoiler?
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Companion Kate wrote: |
It obviously was (at least) a minor spoiler, but our current spoiler policy allows us to give minor spoilers without warning. So it seems to me that the most relevant questions are: (1) is our spoiler policy correct?, and (2) should we be more cautious when deciding what is or is not a major spoiler? |
For my view...when it comes to Doctor Who, I avidly avoid everything, which is why I don't listen to podcasts, so I'm sure I would have avoided the DW review if I knew it had anything to do with the new series...and I hadn't seen the new series... (that said, I'm rather extreme with this).
With your recent Lost review, I hadn't seen Lost, but decided I couldn't be bothered getting out of bed to fast forward, so heard it, and it was fine by me.
What I might suggest is that if the series is currently playing (e.g. Doctor Who and BSG versus, say, Blakes Seven and Red Dwarf), maybe say "this has clips from season x". That way people can decide if they want to know anything about that season, and if they are willing to trust your decision of what is a spoiler (for me 'no' to DW, 'yes' to Lost).
And that way, you don't have to keep track of what exactly is playing where, and people can decide for themselves if they want to hear anything from that season.
(I suspect a few people would fast forward past new BSG Season 2, but accept BSG season 1...)
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Companion Kate
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Thad wrote: | | What I might suggest is that if the series is currently playing (e.g. Doctor Who and BSG versus, say, Blakes Seven and Red Dwarf), maybe say "this has clips from season x". |
Now that is a damn good idea!
...apart from the "if the series is currently playing" bit, since we can't possibly know whether or not that's true. To use your examples, Blake's 7 and Red Dwarf might be currently playing (or never have been aired) somewhere. Be we could certainly assume that to be true and say "this has clips from season X" always. That sounds sensible.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Companion Kate wrote: |
...apart from the "if the series is currently playing" bit, since we can't possibly know whether or not that's true. |
I meant to say "a relatively new series is currently playing". Blakes 7 wouldn't count, old BSG wouldn't count, but new BSG would. But, as you say, always doing it would cover all bases.
(And some people are still seeing old stuff for the first time.)
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Happy Birthday, Signal! Thanks for a podcast that's entertaining, fun and informative. I'm one of those Cubicle Drones (well, I have an office, but still...) who listens to podcasts online while at work (until the IT Dept tells me to stop streaming stuff on my computer). Yours, Mike & Evo and the geeks at Geeks On make the day fly, and I thank you.
Regarding the Sci-Fi Review? Keep it on!
ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about Dr. Who knows that this is the way it is on that long-running series. Me? I knew that Eccleston was quitting before the show even started to air on SciFi because, being a Dr Who fan, I keep up by visiting the BBC's Dr Who section. Hell, it was NEWS in the UK that Eccleston was quitting the series. You think people in the UK were pissed off and thought they were spoiled when the BBC announced that Eccleston was quitting??
The answer would be: HELL, no.
Those of you are pissed at The Signal, untwist your knickers. Please.
What Evo did on Slice of Sci-Fi was him thinking he was funny. He wasn't.
What you all did on the Signal was talk about what...oh, I'd say THE WORLD (that part of the planet that's not the U.S.)--and anyone who visits BBC.com already knew: That a new Dr. was coming.
It's part of the show. It's a tradition with the show.
If you didn't know that, you do now.
I suggest that you go to www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/index.shtml and check out the history of the series.
Then take a deep breath...and chill.
You Signal peeps keep on keepin' on. We'll keep listening.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I love the sci-fi review section, don't cut it!
I also don't really think it was much of a spoiler. That clip didn't tell you anything you couldn't have found out about from a number of news sites, podcasts and info from the bbc itself. If you're in anyway a fan of Dr Who, you probably already knew everything contained or implied by that spoiler.
But I live in Australia where it's already aired, so I guess I can't say how I'd have felt if I hadn't already seen it.
I think a short spoiler warning before the sci-fi review section would not be too intrusive and might help remind people to skip ahead if they're trying to stay spoiler free for something. |
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| penny7b wrote: | I love the sci-fi review section, don't cut it!
I also don't really think it was much of a spoiler. That clip didn't tell you anything you couldn't have found out about from a number of news sites, podcasts and info from the bbc itself. If you're in anyway a fan of Dr Who, you probably already knew everything contained or implied by that spoiler. |
As an American fan of Doctor Who, I have to agree. I know of several others that are watching what the BBC is airing with a day or so delay of release. We couldn't wait until the Sci-fi channel finally got around to airing the episodes.
Besides, the spoiler was an accident. Who cares? Keep the Sci-fi review. |
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Companion Kate and Thad make important points about the difficulty with watching Doctor Who in the UK. We are subjected here to the most intense and in-your-face barrage of spoilers I have ever seen, for any programme ever. Trailers and adverts pop up suddenly between programmes on the BBC, the listings magazines are full of eye-catching pictures and articles about which monsters will be appearing in the next show, and of course there are spoilers immediately at the end of every episode (lasting what seems like at least 60 sec). The BBC seems to think no-one will watch if they don't trail 'what happens next' in intimate detail. (Is there some way to campaign to stop this? This technique was introduced first in numerous US TV shows and soaps!) So knowing if a change of actor occurs or not at the end of a season is a minor worry!
But The Signal has been good at not going deeply into such territory. When I first heard it I thought for example that the review of Blakes Seven missed many important and interesting analogies and disanalogies with Firefly -- but upon reading the above discussion I realise I was thinking about series 3 and 4 of B7; the review only actually covered series 1 and 2, and so achieved a good compromise between telling people about the show but not giving away the way it progressed, or the ending.
After all, isn't it a spoiler to tell people Firefly is a western set in space? Anything you tell people is a give-away to some extent or other! 
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