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pennausamike
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Whew, it's certainly going places conceptually, up and down on exactly how big we want this thing to be.
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When you have anything to post, let me know, and I'll post info in the Firefly Fan Film Roundup thread.
I also updated my "Fool Me Twice" info in that thread, here,
http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=37733#37733
New costume info and some other stuff.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled prop building.....
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pennausamike
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Not quite finished, but an update, anyway.
The brass barreled Jubal Early pistol.
This was originally a Harley Davidson knife box, with the Harley logo etc etched on the glass.
I replaced the glass with plexiglas.
That was REALLY a pain to do, because the glass is glued to the frame and acts as part of the lid's structure.
I had to break the glass out and rebuild the lid.
I have one of these for my YoSafBridge pistol, and the wood warped without the glass holding it in place.
Sigh....
Still, I like the overall look.
A Mal pistol will fit in one of these.
I still have to stain the gun supports in mahogany and polyurethane them.
Which I have now done, and included the display description and estimate of value:
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The Story Behind The Display: Jubel Early’s Pistol
The Source Material:
In the FIREFLY episode “Objects In Space”, bounty hunter Jubel Early sneaks aboard Serenity to return River Tam for the 200,000 Credit reward. With the possible exception of one deadly and unpredictable pyromaniac midget, River proves to be the smallest and most troublesome cargo Early has ever had to transport. Early is a skewed and damaged personality and, in many ways, this nonsensical pistol fits him. (The pistol has no sights, discernible ammunition storage or obvious operating mechanism.) Although Early’s pistol doesn’t hold up to the studied observation that this display allows, on screen it worked as a finely-crafted and deadly firearm.
The Display Items:
This shadow box features a resin, brass and stainless steel hardware replica of Jubel Early’s pistol. This was purchased on eBay as one of two Early pistols purported to be cast from screen-used. I believe this to be true because the original castings had the bent lower rod as seen in “Objects In Space”; plus, I know of only one fan-made copy of the Early pistol, and I supplied many of the measurements from mine to the builder. The original resin barrel and lower rod were removed and replaced with a brass barrel and cadmium-plated steel rod, which add some realistic heft to the pistol.
The photos were taken from online sources and represent the pictures Early had in his spacecraft:
the wanted poster, the “Hands of Blue” picture of River, and the picture of Early’s mother.
The case itself is a modified Harley-Davidson knife box. The display case required a fair amount of work to break out the glued-in, etched H-D glass and replace it with Plexiglas.
The Value:
Like all collectibles, the value equals whatever someone is willing to pay. The cost of this display breaks down to $80.00 for the resin pistol casting and $30.00 for the Harley-Davidson knife case. Labor on the display pieces consists of a ton of hours puttying and sanding the badly pin-holed pistol casting, machining to bore out the barrel from the resin body, and machining the brass barrel and front resin pieces. It is very unlikely that the pistols will ever be cast again and the finish on this one is unique by virtue of the brass barrel, cadmium under-barrel rod and stainless steel hardware. It is a simple fact that the labor to produce this display far outstrips any likely return, but I would still place a “reasonable” starting value of $150.00 on this unusual character piece.
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BrownCoat1

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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Very shiny! _________________ "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." |
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pennausamike
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Too busy, too many irons in the fire...
Even so, I'm pushing ahead on wrapping up my Firefly/Serenity collection.
I have been "focusing" on finishing these outstanding projects, and I added one.
The Wash pistol display.
I machined off the Smith & Wesson emblem from the box, built the dummy speed-loader and acquired a checkering tool to finish the grips.
The Yo-Saff-Bridge pistol display.
Good grief, I'm STILL priming and puttying!
This is kinda like those walnut Mal pistol grips;
I'll finish them, but I get burned out on the tedium.
The Dobson Vektor.
I have some puttying and sanding to do here.
I'm having a hard time leaping into that until I finish the Yo-Saff-Bridge pistol.
And the new acquisition and project.
I bought a replica of the Jayne "War Stories" apple spearing knife.
I''m going to display it in a plastic apple with the caption:
Wash, "But, these apples are good and healthsome."
Jayne, "Yeah, grenades cost extra."
Finally, I decided it wouldn't be too big a deal to make the "Jaynestown" knife.
Time will tell whether I got that right or not...
Mike
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pennausamike
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Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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A little more progress on the Jaynestown Knife:
I based my sizes off the fact that the Jaynestown knife fit in Binky's sheath.
Mine has an 8" long blade, 3/4" long black piece with a 3/8" thick brass hilt and a 5 1/4"-ish handle.
I made the blade out of stainless steel and I'm making the handle out of wood;
carved and painted to look like stag horn.
The blade is basically done except for painting the grid and a final polish.
The brass hilt is done and the black plastic piece just needs paint.
The "staghorn" grip is very in-process....
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pennausamike
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I'm also finishing this up:
My Vektor build-up in process.
Metal barrel, dummy chamber, opened up the ejection port, and a bunch of weight in the grip.
I'm modifying the mag base area to look like a magazine and NOT a battery pack!
Everything's done, I'm just letting the paint dry overnight.
I can't decide whether to display this with Simon's glasses
(the only Simon prop in the collection)
or with Dobson's stuff.
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pennausamike
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: |
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The Dobson collection as of now:
I really should just break down and buy a replica of Dobson's third pistol,
after I find out what it was, of course.
Both travel documents books are someone else's work.
The passport is from the Browncoat Ball in Philadelphia,
the travel papers book was thoughtfully included in with another purchase from a 76th member.
The Astra and Vektor, muzzle on:
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pennausamike
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Alliance props from "Fool Me Twice":
Everything a squad of troops needs to round up some pesky smugglers.
The magazine pouches were a dirt cheap purchase in bulk.
They WERE green, but an hour and a half stewing in a bucket of Rit dye and hot water made them black (mostly) like I needed.
The "magazines" are scrap wood cut out in the shape of L-85 mags.
Lighter and cheaper!
Oh, and you won't be hearing these boys saying,
"Sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don'tcha think?"
Emblemology.
Not sure what all I need, but hopefully I'm covered.
Bought some here and there, a little horse trading,
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BrownCoat1

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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Very impressive as always Pennausamike. _________________ "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." |
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Loire

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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: , |
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| Bloody fantastic Mike, keep her lit, as they say here. \L |
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pennausamike
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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"Boy, sure would be nice if we had some grenades,
(and some knives, and a big gun, and a funny hat made by Ma Cobb,)
don'tcha think?"
This is a couple of projects off my "to-do" list, tho' neither is perfect.
First up, the grenades; these were one of the first props I decided to build after seeing the BDM Serenity on DVD in early 2006.
I wanted them to be really screen-accurate.
Then I found out the spring was a much larger diameter.
Eh, that was OK, mine would still light up when they were popped open.
Then I found out the movie grenades counted down when they opened.
Sigh.....
So, my grenades sat around like this:
for about three years.
But recently, I've decided I need to wrap up all my Firefly/Serenity unfinished projects.
So I finished the grenades that they just pop open when you twist 'em...
...which is still pretty cool.
Far as the knives, I have no idea why I felt compelled to take on the Jaynestown knife
when the whole idea of the work I'm doing is to finish unfinished projects.
Well, actually, I do know.
After I built the Jayne War Stories apple-spearing knife,
I realized I only needed one more knife to be able to display all of Jayne's knives.
Plus, it'll look good with the QMx Hero of Canton poster.
I've shown the other building steps;
the one that didn't turn out so well was masking and painting the grid pattern.
NOW I'm willing to say I'm not going to take on more work to strip and fix it.
As I've noted before, without a close up pic for comparison,
I think it will display nice enough.
If I wait to get it perfect, I may never display it.
Mike
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pennausamike
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Another wrap-up was my Zoe back-up pistol.
I've had the thing basically done for a while now, just needed to weather it a bit.
But, to get it back together, it is necessary to build a little fixture to support the internal mechanism
until you get the cover on to hold everything in place.
The "pins" in the fixture are number drills and the holes in the fixture are only a .001" bigger or so.
This way, you can assemble the action around the pins, put the cover on,
and then push the pins out with the original screws.
I was really pleased with how this worked, so I'm keeping the fixture in case I need to disassemble my Zoe pistol in the future.
I also printed up Altrans tickets for "Mr. Malcolm Raymond" and "Mrs. Zoe Raymond",
along with a baggage claim ticket.
I have a spare set of Zoe dogtags like the ones in my Mal and Zoe Amnesty display.
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Lemming

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 267 Location: Banbury, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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You know Mike, I do still enjoy seeing these updates every now and then, even though it is very quiet around here - this whole thread is a a terrific archive. Bloody nice work sir!
Nick _________________
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pennausamike
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Lemming wrote: |
You know Mike, I do still enjoy seeing these updates every now and then,
even though it is very quiet around here -
this whole thread is a a terrific archive.
Bloody nice work sir!
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Thanks so much, Nick!
I have tried to post a decent number of "in-process" shots so my,
mostly-replicas-and-not-all-that-perfect-ones-at-that,
collection would be interesting and useful beyond just, "look what I got".
With over 41,000 views, I find myself wondering who is looking?
Is there anything that would be helpful to post, beyond the current construction steps?
Do the folks checking out my builds realize the flaws or screen inaccuracies...or not care?
I'm thinking of adding a post with all the Firefly/Serenity reference material and literature I've collected over the years.
Thinkin' that might maybe be useful to some folks.
And just a reminder, the fan-film compilation here:
http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4887
is a complete-as-I-know listing of Browncoats efforts to grow the 'verse.
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BrownCoat1

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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Amazing! Really digging the grenades! If I was as gifted as you I'd make some for my 76th costume. LOL _________________ "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." |
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pennausamike
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Wash's Mateba Pistol:
Just as a reminder, this started as a piece of resin seen sitting on Wash's coveralls on the first page of this thread.
First, the case:
I bought a Smith and Wesson pistol case that had the emblem embossed in the lid.
So, I machined that out and made an engrave-able plate to go in its place.
Inside the case is the pistol, a fan-made Lyndono patch, and a "speed loader";
and of course, the receipt for the pistol signed by Wash himself, Alan Tudyck.
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The Story Behind The Display: Wash’s BDM Pistol
The Source Material:
Hoban Washburn is the pilot of Mal Reynolds’ Firefly spacecraft in both the series FIREFLY and the Big Damn Movie* SERENITY. Wash used weapons in FIREFLY, but didn’t really have his “own” gun until SERENITY, when he was given a modified Mateba semi-automatic revolver.
During the course of the film, Jayne and River also carry Wash’s pistol.
The Display Items:
The Mateba is a fairly rare, real world revolver with nearly as many variations as there were pistols produced. The base gun for this replica is an anime version of the gun that was a different model Mateba. A great deal of modification was necessary to come close to the contours of the BDM Mateba.
Numerous metal parts were machined to produce the two-part barrel, the hammer, front sight, grip attachment, ejector rod, and under-barrel greeblie. The real wood grip was cut from a block of wood, shaped and hand-checkered. The blue plastic lens were cut from Ľ” acrylic rod and carefully fitted to press into the block in front of the triggerguard.
The dummy speedloader is machined from aluminum with cut up 9mm rounds for the dummy ammo.
The LYNDONO patch is a fan-made piece from shortly after the movie came out. The officially released LYNDONO patch mimics the more greenish hue of one of a couple variations seen in the film,
But this patch is correct and looks nice with the dark blue pistol case lining.
The receipt for the pistol is one I made and had Alan Tudyck sign “in character” at Farpoint 2009.
The Value:
Like all collectibles, the value equals whatever someone is willing to pay. The cost of this display breaks down to $100.00 for the resin pistol casting, $7.00 for the (no longer made) LYNDONO patch and $60.00 for the Smith & Wesson pistol case. Labor on the display pieces consists of many hours cutting, reshaping, puttying and sanding the pistol casting, machining the various metal pistol parts, and making the real wood grips. Although the anime base gun kit is still occasionally available, this one is unique by virtue of the fact that no one else has built a Wash pistol like this one. It is a simple fact that the labor to produce this display far outstrips any likely return, but I would still place a minimum starting value of $175.00 on this unusual character piece, with a final value of $400 to $650 seeming quite possible.
*Mal: “Appears we got here just in the nick of time, what does that make us?”
Zoe: “Big damn heroes, sir.”
And hence, a Browncoat-fan-phrase was born; Big Damn fill-in-the-blank.
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The pistol itself came out really nice, which for a while there,
didn't seem like a possible outcome.
I couldn't get the casting to clean up properly, and to my eyes,
the checkering (my first attempt) looked horrendous.
Happily, the stain on the real wood grips hides the awful-ness of my checkering job.
I don't think I'll ever checker anything ever again,
but I'm glad I did it on this replica.
I just really stink at tedious wood-working projects.
The "barrel" is stainless steel, and with the other aluminum parts, gives the Wash pistol a nice heft.
A little shy of realistic, but way better than a resin only replica.
I weathered the pistol and the grips.
The cylinder swings open, which is a nice touch, contributing the realistic look of the pistol.
All-in-all, I'm satisfied with my, not-really-the-right-model-Mateba-Wash-pistol-but-close-enough-for-me, project.
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BrownCoat1

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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Nicely done Pennausamike! _________________ "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." |
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pennausamike
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Just an update:
I've been working on my YoSafBridge pistol display for a while now.
There are three main elements that are taking some time to complete.
First, was the pistol Saffron, I mean Bridget, I mean Yolanda; pulled on Mal and Durran Haymer in "Trash".
The casting was REALLY badly pitted and covered in pinholes.
(There is a picture of it earlier in the thread under the, "why there are no updates", post.)
Even after all the work to clean it up and rebuild broken down parts, painting STILL exposed some pinholes!
Sigh...
Fortunately, the weathering I did on the pistol covered the most glaring places.
On the plus side, I decided to go with a satin nickel finish on the frame and slide to contrast with the machined parts;
and the silver and gunmetal painted parts.
I'm very pleased with the contrast and overall look.
As with the Wash pistol, (and any number of these projects, really),
it seems hard to believe these will ever turn out right many times during the build process.
It is always a mixture of relief and satisfaction when they turn out OK at the end.
The second element of the display that became more work than intended,
well, let's quote Mal:
"You and lipstick are a dangerous combination, as I recall".
That's right, Saffron's other weapon was the "goodnight kiss".
Just buy a tube of white lipstick, right?
Not quite...
First, I could just never seem to remember to look when I was at the store.
I finally added it to a shopping list,
and then couldn't find a cylindrical lipstick tube.
(They're all square-ish now, it seems.)
I was getting ready to search eBay when I thought, "nuts, I'll just make that, too."
I'm pretty sure I'm now in possession of the fanciest non-lipstick tube on the planet!
And since the "lipstick" itself is white plastic, I don't have to worry about it ever melting or crumbling.
The last element of the display will be the pictures.
I'm thinking a miniature frame work to hold two pictures of YoSafBridge and the lipstick tube.
I also need posts to hold the pistol.
I haven't really sorted that out yet, but once that's done,
I'll post better pics of the pistol and the completed display.
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pennausamike
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:03 am Post subject: |
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The finished YoSafBridge display:
I removed the Durran Haymer elements from the display because it was too crowded.
The wooden frame/divider I made for the inside came out as I hoped,
but the stain isn't quite red enough.
It still worked out OK, and I might incorporate this concept into another display down the road.
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The Story Behind The Display: YoSafBridge Weapons
The Source Material:
The crew of Serenity saves a town on Triumph moon from brigands. Captain Mal Reynolds unwittingly marries Saffron, who is actually a thief who prepares the mark’s ship for capture. Saffron’s plan is thwarted, but the crew crosses paths with her again when she marries a fellow smuggler while posing as Bridgit. She convinces Mal to assist her in a heist “that practically robs itself.” In the process of this caper, Mal finds they are robbing another “husband”; this, an Alliance officer who married “Yolanda”.
It is at this point Mal coins the catch-all name for the beautiful thief, YoSafBridge.
The Display Items:
This shadow box features two weapons YoSafBridge uses on Mal. The centerpiece is a casting of the pistol YoSafBridge pulls on Mal and Alliance officer Durran Haymer in the episode, “Trash”. It is a rental piece that was apparently made for the Jet Li movie, “The One”. It is also seen in the BDM “Serenity” in the hands of the holographic Dr. Caron on Miranda. The resin casting was offered by a propmaker who popped up on eBay, and who had no idea what property his offerings were from. (He originally thought the Alliance food bars were gold bars.) There was a run of a dozen, two-dozen at most, of these pistols; and then the seller disappeared. I can’t imagine that any more will be made. Also adding to the rarity of this piece; I made nine of the aluminum nosepieces and that is likely the end of THAT run.
The second “weapon” on display is a tube of lipstick. “You and lipstick is a dangerous combination, as I recall,” Mal notes to Saffron. And he recalls right, as Saffron used poison lipstick to knock Mal out and send his ship to the scrappers in “Our Mrs. Reynolds”.
The Value:
Like all collectibles, the value equals whatever someone is willing to pay. The cost of this display breaks down to $60.00 for the resin pistol casting and $30.00 for the Harley-Davidson knife case. Labor on the display pieces consists of a ton of hours puttying and sanding the badly pin-holed pistol casting, machining to make the aluminum nosepiece and stainless steel barrel, and machining the brass and white plastic “lipstick” and tube. Labor to make the display case included a fair amount of work to break out the glued-in, etched H-D glass and replacement with Plexiglas, lining the bottom with the rough blue material (which were old shop rags) and machining the wooden frame that holds the two pictures and makes pockets for the “lipstick”. It is very unlikely that the pistols will ever be cast again and the finish on this one is unique by virtue of the SS barrel, three-color silver painting and three red dot sights. It is a simple fact that the labor to produce this display far outstrips any likely return, but I would still place a “reasonable” starting value of $150.00 on this unusual character piece.
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BrownCoat1

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Shiny! _________________ "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." |
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pennausamike
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Things will get rolling again after Christmas.
(I'm building some presents, including a resonator electric guitar.)
But to post info that some may not have seen:
The Internet Movie Firearms Database is a great resource.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Firefly
Here's wishing a Merry Christmas and a Joyous Holiday Season for all!
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pennausamike
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Why I haven't gotten anything done for a whole month.
In addition to another home project, I built this for my son over the last 27 days:
On the left, it is the electric resonator guitar.
Has a unique sound because of the metal cone inside the hollowed out area of the solid body.
While it can be played like any electric guitar,
it really shines when put pretty clean thru the amp and played with a slide.
Old Delta blues, or things like Led Zeppelin's "Hat's Off To Roy Harper" are what this guitar was made to play.
The guitar is a kit.
Except for a complete lack of useful wiring info, everything is there.
So it's all about finishes and proper assembly.
The resonator was a little more challenging than a comparable 6-string electric would be,
because there wasn't any info on how to mount the resonator.
(I left it free-floating; I hope that's right...)
I needed a long drill for the neck pickup wiring.
The neck glues in, but I put a backing plate on it for strength.
Alignment of the metal, string-holding tail is important.
The main routed hole for the resonator is off center,
so, making that look decent required some fudging.
You get the idea.
Not, "carve your own guitar", difficult; but still a fair amount of work.
In the Serenity Companion volume, a picture of an acoustic resonator guitar is shown on page 32,
but the guitar Jayne was playing in the movie was a standard acoustic, as seen on page 31.
Now, back to the Firefly/Serenity prop projects!
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BrownCoat1

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Wow. Your talent seems to know no limitations. _________________ "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." |
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TheOperative92

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Guitars aren't guns! But seriously, wonderful work. The kit came out really nicely. The electric steel reminds me of Muse. The guitar player used to play a steel guitar all the time before he started building his own custom models. That's really beautiful work. _________________ "Being a hero takes more than wholesale sunglasses and a bad attitude."
A funny facebook status helps a lot too... |
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pennausamike
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| TheOperative92 wrote: | | Guitars aren't guns! But seriously, wonderful work. The kit came out really nicely. The electric steel reminds me of Muse. The guitar player used to play a steel guitar all the time before he started building his own custom models. That's really beautiful work. |
Thanks for the compliment;
but I think you're failing to appreciate the fact that if you grab a guitar by the neck with both hands and swing REALLY hard it qualifies as a weapon.
A once and done, mostly, but still...
Don't worry, I've got a few Firefly weapons projects on the pool table/workbench that I'll be posting soon.
I haven't run out of steam, yet.
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pennausamike
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Not really an update, just a gratuitous shot of some main character weapons from "Fool Me Twice".
From left to right:
Buddy Lee Creek's "AK-on-steroids" with some more detail work done; still unfinished.
Quintan Shang's silenced revolver carbine.
General/ rancher Dan Anderson's generic assault rifle (Stg-44). |
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Loire

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Ooo.. look at the lovelies! I want .. Especially the revolver carbine..
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Loire

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:37 am Post subject: |
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So what do bullets look like in the 'verse?
I mean, they cant be exactly the same, as the weapons themselves dont eactly sound the same, and ammo capicities seem alot higher for some of the guns in the show.
Eg. Mal's gun in the BDM, he checks the ammo from the thin cartridge at the bottom. Anyone any ideas on this front?
Apologies if this has cropped up elsewhere..
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Lemming

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 267 Location: Banbury, UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Loire wrote: | So what do bullets look like in the 'verse?
I mean, they cant be exactly the same, as the weapons themselves dont eactly sound the same, and ammo capicities seem alot higher for some of the guns in the show.
Eg. Mal's gun in the BDM, he checks the ammo from the thin cartridge at the bottom. Anyone any ideas on this front?
Apologies if this has cropped up elsewhere..
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I imagine that a lot of them look exactly like existing ammo. Out on the rim, I imagine that they'd recycle cartridges, repack them and pour their own slugs much as folk still do who are really into this sort of thing. The solid explosives and metalurgy required to sustain this is well within the observed tech of even the the most basic colonies we see in the series.
Mal's gun is (in extendad canon at least) a dual function pistol. It will fire fairly regular rounds as suggested by him checking the magazine, but it also works as a mini rail gun - firing slugs by accelerating them in a strong magnetic field. This is suggested by the "power-up" noise that you hear when Mal uses the pistol. This is also supprted by various diagrams that you can find online and also in the official Serenity pistol replica from QMx (there's a small poster detailing the functions of the various bits) Either that or it has some sort of electronic ignition instead of precussion caps for the regular slugs and the power up sound is just artistic licence
And that goes double for ammo capacities, just about any drama series or movie where gunplay is involved - unless the number of shots is actually relevant ("I know what you're thinking.... do you feel lucky?" etc) - tend to have unlimited magazines or 79 shooter pistols, so I wouldn't place too much canonicity ( see what I did there on how that relates to actual capacities if these were real weapons.
Many of the guns seen in the verse simply wouldn't work as they are shown (Mal's pistol being just one), Jubal Early's gun in particular is non sensical from a functional POV and Vera is actually a modified shotgun utterly incapable of firing the massive slugs shown. But who cares!
Well, we do of course - The Signal ran some articles on Verse weaponry ages back in season 3 or 4. (Vera actually weighs 28 pounds. Karl Derrick, who now works for QMx, actually has the hero prop and I've chatted with him)
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pennausamike
Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 200 Location: PA
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Loire wrote: |
So what do bullets look like in the 'verse?
I mean, they cant be exactly the same, as the weapons themselves don't exactly sound the same, and ammo capacities seem alot higher for some of the guns in the show.
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I'm going to second Lemming's opinion, here:
| Lemming wrote: |
I imagine that a lot of them look exactly like existing ammo. Out on the rim, I imagine that they'd recycle cartridges, repack them and pour their own slugs much as folk still do who are really into this sort of thing. The solid explosives and metalurgy required to sustain this is well within the observed tech of even the the most basic colonies we see in the series.
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I read somewhere the sound people added a "cool" cocking effect 'cause it was...cool.
While I understand movie folks wanting the sound, as a real gun guy,
that electronical sound in with the mechanical cocking sound rubs me the wrong way.
Nothing "powers-up" in a slug-thrower; and if it does, it negates the whole backwater-world technology angle.
It's the same thing that bugs me about the QMx implication that Mal's pistol has a gauss ammo feature,
i.e. accelerating the slug through magnetic rings in the barrel.
It violates the story construct that Rim folks are using old tech and only higher up in the Alliance possess high-tech.
Any fan attempt to rationalize the electronic operating system additions to primitive weapons is just that, fan rationalization.
And, it doesn't hold water in a mechanical/functional sense,
(MY area of expertise).
A lever action Winchester is a lever action Winchester.
There isn't room, rhyme or reason to think anything electronic has been shoved in there.
Also, it defeats the story logic of weapons crafted by folks left on a planet with blankets and a herd.
| Loire wrote: |
Eg. Mal's gun in the BDM, he checks the ammo from the thin cartridge at the bottom. Anyone any ideas on this front?
Apologies if this has cropped up elsewhere..
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Joss Whedon knows NOTHING about firearms and is the first to admit it.
(Refers to Zoe's pistol caliber Mare's Leg as a "shotgun" and the ammo holding magazine as a "cartridge"; a mistake Nathan repeated in the BDM blooper reel.)
He writes about guns because they are a part of the action milieu.
As another ammo note on Mal's pistol;
I use M-1 Carbine ammo rather than .38 Special.
Rimmed ammo (.38 Special) is tricky to make work in autoloaders,
and the Mal pistol magazine isn't really set up to accommodate rimmed ammo.
The carbine round would feed better and it is possible to fit 5 or 6 rounds plus a mag spring in a Mal pistol magazine.
I have a picture of 6 round clusters here:
http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3541
First picture on the page.
| Lemming wrote: |
Mal's gun is (in extended canon at least) a dual function pistol. It will fire fairly regular rounds as suggested by him checking the magazine, but it also works as a mini rail gun - firing slugs by accelerating them in a strong magnetic field. This is suggested by the "power-up" noise that you hear when Mal uses the pistol. This is also supported by various diagrams that you can find online and also in the official Serenity pistol replica from QMx (there's a small poster detailing the functions of the various bits) Either that or it has some sort of electronic ignition instead of percussion caps for the regular slugs and the power up sound is just artistic license
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The QMx Mal pistol sheet claiming the Mal pistol works with;
“two distinct firing systems-a Newtech Gauss/ Coilgun Carriage and a conventional hammer-based firing system.”
ARRRRRGH!!
I’ve been asked about the workings of the Mal pistol a few times and in both the logic of the ‘verse AND the realities of mechanical fact, Mal’s pistol just ain’t no rail gun!
Caseless ammo is the furthest extrapolation of technology that Mal’s pistol’s place in the ‘verse allows.
A rail gun works by suspending a projectile in magnetic fields.
Conventional firing systems work by sealing a projectile in the barrel and pushing it out by expanding gases.
To put both diametrically opposed technologies in a handgun sized package would require technology far in advance of the Alliance laser pistols that Joss wanted to be far in advance of the Rim-world tech that Mal and his crew possess.
The decision by QMx to release the Barlow’s guide one-sheet violates the fictional construct of the ‘verse and the common sense of anyone who knows guns.
Needlessly, too; because a story appropriate and mechanically sensible description of the workings of the Mal pistol would have been just as satisfying to the casual fan while still acceptable to the real gun enthusiasts among Firefly fans.
| Lemming wrote: |
And that goes double for ammo capacities, just about any drama series or movie where gunplay is involved - unless the number of shots is actually relevant ("I know what you're thinking.... do you feel lucky?" etc) - tend to have unlimited magazines or 79 shooter pistols, so I wouldn't place too much canonicity ( see what I did there on how that relates to actual capacities if these were real weapons.
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I haven't actually noticed Firefly to be a grievous offender in the "unlimited ammo magazine" area.
For the most part, the characters seem to fire a reasonable number of rounds between reloading.
But...
| Lemming wrote: |
Many of the guns seen in the verse simply wouldn't work as they are shown (Mal's pistol being just one), Jubal Early's gun in particular is non sensical from a functional POV and Vera is actually a modified shotgun utterly incapable of firing the massive slugs shown. But who cares!
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I've written on the inconsistency of Weapons design in Firefly/Serenity in a couple of other places.
Basically, Jubal Early's pistol is the worst.
No ammo clip, no room for an operating system and no sights!
I never bought the paintball gun based Alliance laser weapons in Serenity.
Chrome-plated military issue weapons make no sense.
How about the pistol Simon used in Wargames. It was an autoloader with a wraparound scope mount (the kind that blocks the iron sights) but no scope!
A whole thread could be devoted to the need for a real firearms enthusiast's input into the design of Firefly/ Serenity weapons.
Some of them are very cool, some are odd and impractical in the extreme, and almost none of them are real-world practical.
(Think about Jayne's LeMat. A gun you have to disassemble to reload doesn't make a lot of combat sense.)
The worst offender may be Vera, herself.
But not because of the bullets.
The brass shells seen on Vera are real-life full length brass 12 gage shotgun shells.
Rifled slugs are used fairly commonly to hunt deer in heavily wooded areas like the northeast United States.
The most ridiculous idea put forth about Vera was in "Our Mrs. Reynolds".
What kinda gun needs air around it to fire (except as a plot device)?
None.
| Lemming wrote: |
Well, we do of course - The Signal ran some articles on Verse weaponry ages back in season 3 or 4. (Vera actually weighs 28 pounds. Karl Derrick, who now works for QMx, actually has the hero prop and I've chatted with him)
Nick
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I'll have to check back on the Signal episodes you've mentioned, Nick.
I would note re: Karl Derrick; he has left QMx and is selling off his Firefly collection.
His website, the Firefly Archives is still up
http://www.fireflyarchive.com/
even though the bulk of the collection is already dispersed to other collectors'.....collections.
All in all, while the some of the weapons in Firefly may sometimes leave something to be desired, I was happy to be invited to visit a 'verse where firearms are viewed as tools of survival and practicality; not scary bad things that serve no purpose and should be banned. That accepting attitude glosses over a multitude of minor sins.
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