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We did it! We did it!
Miranda, you officially *Rock*!
Enjoy people, we're back 
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yay, burt and harry survived the grenades!
Had one of them visited 'Egypt'? i heard the Arabic/Egyptian/Persian word for begging money, baksheesh!
Oh, and i love the 'Previously on Badgers world....' and the 'Next time on Badgers world....'
Its so heroes/ Dr Who etc.
anyway, what a great start to the new year. And you guys are just as good as ever.
nice new music as well.
on the thought of the big damn test kitchen, can i still get hold of the cookbook? Im liking the Jaynes cocktail in today's. Sounds really yummy.
I totally love that song! I REALLY REALLY want it on my iPod. Its just damn good. Cant wait till QMx get it set up for download.
Cant wait for the next show
(I think I can just about HOLD on untill then  )
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Great to see you all back.
| Dani wrote: | Oh, and i love the 'Previously on Badgers world....' and the 'Next time on Badgers world....'
Its so heroes/ Dr Who etc.
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It's so Buffy and Angel!
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Great to see you all back.
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| ningjingde ren wrote: | Great to see you all back.
| Dani wrote: | Oh, and i love the 'Previously on Badgers world....' and the 'Next time on Badgers world....'
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It's so Buffy and Angel! |
Well, loathe though I am to be the lone detractor, in general I hate "Previously on"s. I guess I don't mind them at the very start of a season (as was the case here, of course), but every episode? That's too much. Maybe it's because of the way I watch shows - I get the DVDs and then watch all the episodes either back-to-back or at least very quickly. I don't need to be reminded of what happened in something I just finished watching! Can you imagine how awful it would have been if War Stories had started "Previously on Firefly" and then clips of The Train Job? Ugh! <shudder!> I am so glad that didn't happen.
And by the way, there were no "Previously On"s on Angel season one. That didn't happen until season two. I know this because it was one of the things I liked about Angel ... until it changed.
Moving on...
I loved this episode of the Signal. (And I'm allowed to say that now, because it wasn't I who made it ). Some of the features in that show, I only heard for the first time about the same time you did. It was refreshing, and brilliant. And I seriously loved the music!
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| Dani wrote: | [color=indigo]yay, burt and harry survived the grenades!
Had one of them visited 'Egypt'? i heard the Arabic/Egyptian/Persian word for begging money, baksheesh!
Oh, and i love the 'Previously on Badgers world....' and the 'Next time on Badgers world....'
Its so heroes/ Dr Who etc.
anyway, what a great start to the new year. And you guys are just as good as ever.
nice new music as well...... |
Hey thanks Dani. We're pretty pleased with how it came out. Lot of changes behind the scenes with new crew and changed responsibilities, so this was an important test run for us. Onward and upward!
Heh. Glad you noticed the arabic reference. Thought it might be nice to throw in a different cultural reference. The Eavesdown Docks are a real mish mash of cultures and I wanted to give a little wider taste of that. I've never been to Egypt (and Burt and Hary definitely have not
The "previously on.." is a start of season one off. If we get to a cliffhanger for BW season 2 and do another, then we'd do it again, but not on a regular basis...that was the longest Badger's World to date as it was!
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| Lemming wrote: |
Heh. Glad you noticed the arabic reference. Thought it might be nice to throw in a different cultural reference. The Eavesdown Docks are a real mish mash of cultures and I wanted to give a little wider taste of that. I've never been to Egypt (and Burt and Hary definitely have not |
I noticed and recognized it when I was recording. I visited Egypt when I was in highschool and backshish was probably the first Arabic word I learned. Arabic is one of the character sets seen in the 'verse - it is on the paper currency used in Serenity - so it is definitely appropriate.
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| Companion Kate wrote: | | ningjingde ren wrote: | | Dani wrote: | Oh, and i love the 'Previously on Badgers world....' and the 'Next time on Badgers world....'
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Well, loathe though I am to be the lone detractor, in general I hate "Previously on"s. I guess I don't mind them at the very start of a season (as was the case here, of course), but every episode? That's too much. Maybe it's because of the way I watch shows - I get the DVDs and then watch all the episodes either back-to-back or at least very quickly. I don't need to be reminded of what happened in something I just finished watching! Can you imagine how awful it would have been if War Stories had started "Previously on Firefly" and then clips of The Train Job? Ugh! <shudder!> I am so glad that didn't happen.
And by the way, there were no "Previously On"s on Angel season one. That didn't happen until season two. I know this because it was one of the things I liked about Angel ... until it changed. |
I certainly hate "Next week on...." (though the spoof ones on Badger's World are great!), but I find "Previously on ..." segments helpful. That's because I usually watch one new episode weekly rather than multiple episodes in a sitting, and because I sometimes come in in the middle of a series. With Buffy and Angel, which spanned several series each, it was very difficult to remember all the characters and events over the whole story arc (or set of story arcs). Characters would sometimes turn up in an episode who had not appeared for several years, yet to obtain the full implications and enjoy the episode I needed to be reminded who they were and what they had done previously.
With Firefly, Joss overtly set out to avoid these long entangled story arcs, so "Previous on's" would indeed have been unnecessary. Perhaps after several seasons, maybe ....
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IMHO "previously on" is useful when a show is broadcast, but shouldn't really be considered as part of the show for DVD / out-of-order syndication purposes. Include them on DVDs (so the fans can see them), but put them in the extras.
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I love previously on bits...
It's fun to see specific scenes I remember laid out together because they're related and bring extra meaning to the show ahead. Even on DVDs, I just love seeing how threads are moving through a season.
And "Next week on.." just gets me excited for the next episode.
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So, does anyone has anything to say (good or bad) about Season 4, Episode 1, of the Signal?
[Valiant attempt to bring this thread back on topic.]
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Previously on "Season 4, Episode 1" ...
| Companion Kate wrote: | So, does anyone has anything to say (good or bad) about Season 4, Episode 1, of the Signal?
[Valiant attempt to bring this thread back on topic.] |
I'd just like to back up what Jill said in her excellent Sci-Fi Review of Survivors. The series doesn't just follow the personal feelings of the central characters, it also raises interesting political issues about who takes control when there are limited resources. In the absence of central authority or government, how do you deal with people who set themselves up as warlords or demagogues? What do you do if someone trades you some seeds or medicines that turn out to be rotten? How do people who've never handled a gun defend themselves against sudden violence?
There are parallels here could be drawn with life on the Rim (or ... imagine modern Americans suddenly being taken back to live in the wild-west). Settlers of new lands have to solve these issues of regulation, and Firefly fans will recognise many of the situations faced by the heroes of Survivors.
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I wish I'd said that 
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I like the intro, slogan and artwork for Season 4. I think We Hold sets just the right tone for where we are as a fandom. We've got to dig in for the long haul if we want Serenity 2. Cool pic of River If I ever manage to get the ingredients together I'll make that Apple Pie in a Glass drink. I've certainly learned alot from previous sci-fi reviews about shows I may have only caught a few episodes of, but this is the first time where you'br covered a show I'd never heard of. Survivors certainly sounds like it's worth a watch. Mostly it's just nice you guys were back after the Winter break. Badger's World is still going strong. Small tangent (sorry Jill) My copy of Hobson-Jobson The Anglo-Indian Dictionary lists Bucksheesh (modern Backsheesh) as Hindi from the Persian bakhshish. Ever since the last the Arabs conquered the Iranian Sassian Empire there has been a lot of traffic between Persian and Arabic so perhaps it was Persian originally. The charcters are British and British English has adopted many words from both Arabic and Hindi. Indian elements are just as prevalent during the series as Arabic ones. Atherton Wings outfit from shindig is Indian as are the clothes of extras in some of the crowd scenes and some of Inara's outfits are inspired by Indian fashions. The world where Zoe and Mal encounter Griswalds is New Kashmir referring to the province disputed by India and Pakistan. Apart from the money they only specific Arabic reference I can think of from the show is the name of Inara's house: a Madressa is a Muslim college usually attached to a mosque. Anyway the show was...what's the word?... Awesome.
P.S. The official artwork Rocks.
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| laoshi wrote: | | this is the first time where you've covered a show I'd never heard of. Survivors certainly sounds like it's worth a watch. |
I believe it is (- obviously - or I wouldn't have written a review that says so). But that's the great thing about the internet. Chances are, the world may not have heard of single every show which is native to one country and aired thirty years ago, but now, because of the internet, we can tell each other about these things.
| laoshi wrote: | | The charcters are British |
Burt probably hails from a British colony somewhere in the 'verse. Harry doesn't.
| laoshi wrote: | | The official artwork Rocks. |
Cool. Thank you for saying so.
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Speaking of the slogan... "We hold"... um, hold what?
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| Thad wrote: | | Speaking of the slogan... "We hold"... um, hold what? |
Well, in the movie, River was holding Jayne's testicles...
No, scratch that. The implied meaning is "we hold our ground". It's a snappy way of saying "We're not giving up". (I assume you knew that, of course).
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| Companion Kate wrote: | | laoshi wrote: | | The charcters are British |
Burt probably hails from a British colony somewhere in the 'verse. Harry doesn't. |
Yep. Burt comes from Dyton Colony, same as "Mister Badger" (hence his penchant for "finest Dyton Blue" a cheese of almost unbelievably stinky pedigree - see Special Delivery in Signal S3 Ep 21. Oh, and beer as well). I believe River briefly identifies Bader as a native of Dyton in Shindig. What world it's on or whether it's a moon in it's own right is unknown, but it's folk are clearly decended from Brits or those who have retained their accent at least.
Harry isn't of course. TBH, I didn't have the time to look up the correct Chinese phrase for "squeeze money" and introducing a different phrase with sort of the same meaning added a little colour. Harry may not have been using it correctly of course FYI, it is not a phrase in common use in Britain (I have only ever heard it in hearing stories of visits to Egypt for example)
| Companion Kate wrote: | | laoshi wrote: | | The official artwork Rocks. |
Cool. Thank you for saying so. |
Yep, it looks damn good
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| Lemming wrote: | | River briefly identifies Bader as a native of Dyton in Shindig. What world it's on or whether it's a moon in it's own right is unknown |
It's not unknown; Dyton is a planet. It is illustrated on page 209 of the RPG book and page 12 of the Serenity Visual Companion.
In Shindig, Badger says to River, "Nice to see someone from the old homestead". We must assume that "the old homestead" refers to a much smaller region than Dyton as a whole, because River shares Badger's Cockney accent (at least, in that scene), whereas Burt does not, and because "Nice to see" implies Badger does not encounter such people regularly. Ergo, Burt comes from Dyton, but is not from the same region as Badger.
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Lemming- Hobson-Jobson was written in the 19th century as a record of words and phrases, which resulted from the mixing of British and Indian cultures. I should have explaine (You're not mind reading geniuses after all) most of these words are now defunct, British people no longer talk about tiffin instead of lunch. But Backsheesh is still used in modern Hindi. I've never been to Egypt so I'll take your word for it that it's still in use in Egyptian Arabic. I was just trying to pint out that Burt could have got it from either source because both Indian and Arabic cultures are present in the verse. Sorry for the slip about Harry. I think given the amount of time he spends with Burt and the fact that Badger is his boss I ould think he would be able to understand and use lots of Dyton colony slang. I don't think there's any doubt that Harry was using it correctly it has a range of meaning from a tip or gratuity to an all out bribe. I read a book called Tai-Pan about the foundation of Hong Kong and chinese characters consistently shorten squeeze money to squeeze. i don't know if that's something the author came up with or if he is using period or if he's using an actual term.
Companion Katw- For those of use who own neither the Visual Companion nor the RPG book, can you tell us anything more about Dyton? Is it a core world, a prosperous former independent world like Persephone or a border planet? What about the people? Are the British decendents like Badger and Burt a majority or minority?
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| laoshi wrote: | | For those of use who own neither the Visual Companion nor the RPG book, can you tell us anything more about Dyton? Is it a core world, a prosperous former independent world like Persephone or a border planet? What about the people? Are the British decendents like Badger and Burt a majority or minority? |
Actually, those publications won't tell you much more than I've told you already. There's a picture of Dyton - and that's pretty much it! (That said, I recommend that you go out and buy both books immediately!)
You should of course be familiar with River's quote from Shindig: "Anyone off Dyton Colony knows better than to talk to strangers", which suggests a little about the culture (though not much, I grant you).
More is known about Dyton from other sources, including some QMx project I'm sort of involved in but not allowed to talk about. I don't think it would be breaking the NDA to reveal the following speculation, however: Dyton is a border world. It is a British colony, but not the only British colony. (Atherton Wing, for example, is not native to Dyton). If you want more than that, you'll have to wait, but the good news is that there are more licensed products in the pipeline which might answer more questions.
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| laoshi wrote: | | I've never been to Egypt so I'll take your word for it that it's still in use in Egyptian Arabic. |
Trust me (im not a Dr though) I used to work in Egypt, mainly Red Sea. Bakseesh was popularised into western vocabluarly in Victorian times by beggers to ask for money from tourists. And it is still being used in that sense on the streets of Cairo and northern egypt if a begger/seller is not sure of the visitors nationaltiy (they seem to like to use catchprases, for britian it seems to be either Lovely Jubberly or Would you like a cuppa tea in a bad cockney accent)
As a point of interest, it is not used in restruants/hotels/taxis because it is considered rude and a poor mans word for money.
Thought you may like to know how the word has changed over the years into todays vocabularly
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My first current Signal episode! 
I really enjoyed the show, and was very happy to have Burt and Harry back.
Is Survivors available on DVD? It sounds really interesting. When I look for it, I just get lame "reality" show box sets.
I started listening last Fall, and I've been going through the eps in order up to current. I caught up a week or so after your Persephone Pickers Special, and it's been a long wait for new ones.
I've been using the time to get going on Firefly Talk the same way. I should be caught up on them sometime this Spring.
Thanks for everything you do. I can't imagine the work it must be to create an episode, but it is greatly appreciated.
Love the "We hold" concept. That we most certainly will. *Salute* |
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| Donnovan Sunrider wrote: | | Is Survivors available on DVD? |
Yes, at Amazon.co.uk. Sadly, it doesn't appear to be on sale in the US (though I say that without knowing where you live). It is, however, very easy to find if you *COUGHbittorrentCOUGH* fly over to Britain in your private jet.
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| Oh well. I tried the honorable path. Thanks. |
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| Donnovan Sunrider wrote: | | Oh well. I tried the honorable path. Thanks. |
I don't live in the UK, but have ordered items not available in the US from amazon.co.uk. The issue you might face then is that region encoding of the DVD might not be compatible with your player.
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| Donnovan Sunrider wrote: | My first current Signal episode!
I really enjoyed the show, and was very happy to have Burt and Harry back.
Is Survivors available on DVD? It sounds really interesting. When I look for it, I just get lame "reality" show box sets.
I started listening last Fall, and I've been going through the eps in order up to current. I caught up a week or so after your Persephone Pickers Special, and it's been a long wait for new ones.
I've been using the time to get going on Firefly Talk the same way. I should be caught up on them sometime this Spring.
Thanks for everything you do. I can't imagine the work it must be to create an episode, but it is greatly appreciated.
Love the "We hold" concept. That we most certainly will. *Salute* |
Glad you enjoyed it. Burt and Harry & Co. are fun to write, so no plans to stop anytime soon.
Thanks Jill for correcting me somewhat on Dyton Colony, I knew I knew something about it, but not sure what the souce was
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